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dangerous that we have indeed shake

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things up a bit I find it very

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interesting that there are people out

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there who absolutely are convinced that

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they've seen what they've seen and for

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that reason I'm willing to listen and

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again that doesn't mean run to run to

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the hills with your hand in the air

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screaming that the aliens they're coming

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our aliens are coming no one's even

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mentioned the word aliens we're not

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talking about aliens what I'm talking

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about extraterrestrial life we're simply

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saying that there is something out there

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in our airspace we don't control we

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don't know what the hell it is and so if

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it's not the eyewitness reports and it's

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not the videos and it's not the

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electrical data it's left

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electromechanical data well all right

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how about material will that be enough

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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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[Music]

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welcome to another installment of

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somewhere in the whiskey today is a very

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exciting day I've got two of my best

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friends and colleagues in the UFO field

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with me Jason McClellan MJ pan is

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gentleman thank you for joining me on

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this very special episode so very happy

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to be here it's always a pleasure yes so

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MJ you know the game by now you've been

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on for two of these now this is where we

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just let loose kind of like I did a

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couple weeks ago for UFO happy hour with

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our friend Rob Kristofferson but we're

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switching to whiskey this week so I have

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to ask you guys what what's new Jason I

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know you've been busy

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MJ you've been very busy I know you're

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finishing up some projects as well so

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let's hear what's new with you guys

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since the last time we talked so much is

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new with me but you know a lot I'm not

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prepared to publicly talk about yet I

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know I've teased some of it and it's the

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same stuff that I'll tease now working

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on a couple book projects one may or may

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not be with with mr. Ryan Sprague so

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working on books working on a couple

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public appearances coming up excited to

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tease that right now and share more

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information in the coming weeks so

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that's what's new with me awesome MJ

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what do you got going on over there man

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in Canada

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oh man well apart from like raising two

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little kids which is always a fun

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project just I just I finished the the

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draft of my book so that's been

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submitted to my publisher so it's really

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nice to sort of have a break from that

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and just don't have that monkey off my

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back it's been sort of two years now of

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sort of constantly thinking about it in

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writing and whatever so now that it's

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done it's sort of in his hands and

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congratulations by the way thanks very

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so you know hopefully we see that out

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soon like we said we're sort of in the

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editing process right now apart from

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that just plugging away at mysterious

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universe writing articles and blog posts

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fort Arabs here awesome and well I'm

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sure the book is gonna ruffle some

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feathers in the field as it should and

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so well today's episode because we are

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drinking some whiskey to night gentlemen

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what are we drinking Jason let's start

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with you I am drinking

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good old Wild Turkey 101 so going

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bourbon tonight very nice drink

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MJ see this is interesting I'm going

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with Crown Royal which is a Canadian rye

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which is actually made just about an

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hour from my house so it's really nice

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to be it's close to home but I'm

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drinking a specific version it's the

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bourbon mash built so they basically use

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a bourbon mash in the rye production so

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it's still awry but it it uses sort of

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fermentation going and then it's aged in

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some nice bourbon barrels so while I'm

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not drinking a bourbon I'm enjoying the

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flavor of bourbon it sounds amazing and

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I love crowns so just trying to imagine

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that is really exciting so yeah when I

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saw that you posted the picture of the

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bottle I was extremely excited and

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curious it's really nice actually like

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it's very mellow yeah okay I've always

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been a huge fan of crown and whenever

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people ordered it at my bar in New York

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I immediately gave him this salute I'm

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like that's a good person right there

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well good I mean Jason you got a bourbon

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MJ you got a rye I am drinking a scotch

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so we're going all around the brown

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table tonight guys got our bases covered

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yes what are you I am drinking this is

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from the blended whiskey company now

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this was part of the drinks by DRAM

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collection I got last Christmas actually

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when when actually was the last time all

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three of us oak together with our good

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friend Mike Demonte I decided to keep

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one last bottle for some sort of

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celebration it's a fifty year old half

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century blend Scotch whisky it's amazing

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it's hard as because it was it was

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made the old-school way you know none of

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the the filtering none of that like

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really measuring portions of each

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ingredient they just made this in

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bathtubs and hoped for the best so it's

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a little rough going down but I really

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appreciate that but yeah I'm really

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enjoying it and what better way to

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celebrate then with what we're going to

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be talking about today and that is to

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the Stars Academy and the atom research

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project so the last time the three of us

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was pretty much the start of to the

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stars and the Pentagon program becoming

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public so for the start of to the stars

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Academy correct the Academy yes to the

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stars has been around for a while so to

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the stars Academy for those who may not

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know I don't know how they wouldn't know

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at this point but this is started by Tom

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DeLonge and a few other individuals who

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we will mention later but to the stars

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Academy sort of coins itself as it

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strives to be a powerful vehicle for

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change by creating a concert I'm drunk

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already

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a consortium among science aerospace and

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entertainment that will work

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collectively to allow gifted researchers

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the freedom to explore exotic science

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and technologies with the infrastructure

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and resources to rapidly transition them

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to products that change the world oh

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that's a mouthful so guys I guess before

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we really even get started is that what

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to the Stars is doing or are they sort

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of sticking with their mission so far or

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what are we getting from them so far I'd

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how to the Stars Academy is going before

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we get into the new endeavor they're

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they're undertaking so Jason let's start

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with you sure well you know I think

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everything that they laid out at the

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beginning clearly painted the picture

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that this was a grand project company

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and grand projects take time and they're

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not going to be companies that are

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constantly delivering fans and followers

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new things because that doesn't happen

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that's not what the company is is

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existing to do so these grand plans and

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and really a lot of the grand plans

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focused on their entertainment division

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and feature films and you know

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television projects those things take

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time we've certainly seen teasers and

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things showing that something is

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underway but you know any more than that

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we haven't really seen anything

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delivered and honestly I wouldn't expect

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it to be at this point this is going to

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be probably one of the slowest process

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we've ever seen in terms of possible UFO

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quote unquote disclosure right well look

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at their their other

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efforts to you know work on propulsion

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devices things that could potentially be

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sourced from extraterrestrial spacecraft

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looking at extraterrestrial vehicles as

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a inspiration for building some sort of

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space vehicle again that's not something

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that everyday we're gonna see a new post

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on social media that says hey look at

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this new alien screw we made you know I

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mean I don't don't know what people

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would expect to see in terms of a gimme

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gimme gimme

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now-now-now mentality that if you're

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really expecting a spaceship to be built

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by this company you're not gonna see it

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for quite some time

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it's a process and the people involved

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know how to do that sort of process

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that's this really slow burn as it were

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and that's how things get done so MJ

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to the Stars so far it's been a little

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over a year now are they sticking to the

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plan are we getting some of the stuff

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that we've sort of been promised or are

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we discounting them at this point what

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are your let's let's just go right out

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of the gate with it what do you think

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then yeah I tend to agree I agree with

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the two of you all science takes time

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you know all good science takes time you

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know in order to get stuff properly

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analyzed and then double-checked and

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then triple checked and then to actually

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compile your data into a peer-reviewed

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article or a peer-reviewed paper that's

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gonna go into a scientific journal and

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then sort of move forward with any of

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this this is always going to take time

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when you talk to sort of any academic

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projects take take some studies and

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projects take literally a decade or

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longer with some studies taking really

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you know 20 or 30 years so really

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fundamentally if you if if you've a

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community is expecting anything of sort

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of value and I mean actual like sink

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your teeth into meat and potatoes value

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something that the UFO community can

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bring before sort of mainstream academia

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and mainstream science and say okay

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here's our data it's been peer-reviewed

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you know it's your turn to pick it apart

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and look at it all that's gonna take

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time you don't want to go half-cocked

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into any of this right because

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they do if if TTS a comes out and says

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here's stuff you know metamaterials

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here's video footage whatever and says

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you know this has been peer-reviewed

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this has been assessed by multiple

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organizations independent organizations

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whatever and turns out it's all rubbish

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that's gonna set the UFO discourse I

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suppose or the study of UFOs back

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another 40 50 years right so I think

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caution is important here and I think

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like as Jason says of a slow burn is

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important here so that's sort of my

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opinion do I think that that they've

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sort of prom they're offered sorry I've

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been able to deliver what they promised

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III don't necessarily know what they

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sort of promised initially there was a

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lot of hype right um but the hype was

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designed to sell shares it is a

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corporation after all a public benefit

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corporation I suppose well I'm not sure

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that means but a corporation nonetheless

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so funding is essential here and if the

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hype was design the hype was probably

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designed just to sort of sell as many

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shares as possible have you ever had the

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desire to look outward to the edge of

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what is known and unknown we have the

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chance to do something revolutionary

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something that I think has never been

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attempted before what if I told you I

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found a group of like-minded people who

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held senior positions in the US

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government from the CIA to the

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Department of Defense to the most

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advanced aerospace engineering groups

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within our national security

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establishment people who have life

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skills and collecting and decoding

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elusive information and they all wanted

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to do something ambitious something that

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could help change the conversation about

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who we are through an unparalleled

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search for answers that can propel

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before word but you know they're gonna

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come with a lot of media I think that's

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kind of where they're their bread butter

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is gonna come from really fundamentally

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is is is the media projects that they're

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doing well not only that but I mean the

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fact that now to the stars is out there

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into the mainstream or getting out there

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that's that's when they're gonna start

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to collect data and information you know

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when people are going to start coming

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forward with these like you said meta

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materials that they they've come across

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which we'll get to shortly this all came

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because of the articles that came out

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about to the Stars and the secret

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Pentagon program in Lewis Elizondo you

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know that this is how they got these

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materials is through people finding out

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who the company was what they were doing

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and what they were looking for so I

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think that's pretty interesting you know

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it's working in tandem with them trying

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to trying to discover these things but

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MJ you did bring up a good word and

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that's caution and something I think

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that has kind of been a problem which of

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the stars Academy since the beginning is

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caution they've had some stumbles along

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the way you know mainly the first being

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the Joe Rogan interview with mr. Tom

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DeLonge they've since sort of put the

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lid on Tom not really letting him do any

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type of interviews which might be for

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the best for now but you wrote a very

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interesting article recently for a

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mysterious universe about the Nimitz

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case one of the the videos that came

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forward by to the stars and mr. Lewis

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Elizondo about taking caution and they

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clearly didn't do that in terms of this

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with mr. Chris melon so could you maybe

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sort of run us through this little first

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bump that they had with a Nimitz case

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after my op-ed appeared with video I got

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a call from an individual retired from

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the Defense Department and who had

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worked on these issues that I asked them

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I said do you have any context for that

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video do you have any details he told me

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and that was one of two videos that came

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into the Pentagon from the commander of

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a carrier battle group and these are his

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words he described it as a plea for help

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end quote yeah this is a this was a

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really interesting sort of situation

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only because I have to be honest it was

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such a canoe

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pained incident that not many people

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sort of knew about it and in fact I'm

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convinced not many people sort of still

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know about it so on August 7th

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there was a Twitter user who has quite a

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long-handled but um I'll say out loud or

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you can put in the show notes or

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something but it's at J zero nine seven

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eight four six nine one and he posted

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several tweets concerning something he

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discovered on Chris Mullins personal

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website concern is sort of I guess a

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series of documents that had been posted

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to I think the resources page and they

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were sort of totally out of place they

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were totally out of context they were

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just there just with pictures and JPEG

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images and and and files and they sat

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there for about a day and a half or

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maybe a day or so like 24 36 hours until

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the site was taken down but the the

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contents of that I suppose package of

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data contained sort of various

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photographs of sort of CDs and a

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delivery package as well as Lewis

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elizondo's resignation letter as well as

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a few other things we've seen the three

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videos except the unedited video so they

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don't contain any of the sort of to the

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stars pre-emptive information and then

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the concluding information they're just

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sort of the raw videos that were posted

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on the website there's nothing more to

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them though like it's not like they're

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longer these are just sort of the the

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raw cuts I suppose of what they posted

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and then sort of for me the the most

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important piece was the the Nimitz

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report or the pilot report that is

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posted on to the Stars web site the

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issue is that that report was on Chris

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Mullins site posted it was totally

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unredacted so you could read the names

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of all of the pilots and the source who

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brought that information out so it was

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all sort of public where if you've gone

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the the TTS a web site you'll see the

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file or the the report but it's all the

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names are redacted out and some of the

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other information is redacted such as

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the dates of when the interview occurred

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where the interview occurred etc so

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basically what happened was for about

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like I said 24 36 hours who knows how

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many people several hundred several

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thousand had access to the the Nimitz

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report with all of the contact

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information for for the sources involved

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in the pilots involved now we know we

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know three of the pilots I believe

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currently air I know two for sure

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three of the pilots so as far as I know

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have come forward and said yes I've been

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here I've been part of it and they've

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gone on record saying that they were

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involved in this Tic Tac incident

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however the other three as well as the

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source who provided the report were not

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public or have not gone public so

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obviously in this case their privacy

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was sort of violated now again I don't

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know necessarily personally how many

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people have seen the unredacted report I

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don't know how many people actually are

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in possession of it and nor as far as I

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know though which is sort of on the

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positive note it hasn't been sort of

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publicly posted yet so as far as I know

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no one has just taken the file and

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reposted it on let's say reddit or

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Twitter or Facebook or or above top

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secret as far as my recent check however

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I could be buried somewhere or it could

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be on some sites that I just don't visit

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you know somewhere deep deep in the

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bowels of the internet so who knows as

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far as I know it's still intact but

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again I would say there's probably a few

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hundred people who probably have this

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file yeah exactly and I mean this wasn't

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the first time that sort of a I guess

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miscommunication but the members of to

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the Stars Academy that this has happened

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I mean we look at the we're gonna talk

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about the new project that they're

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you're doing and sort of the first bump

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with that so I guess let's get into that

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now this was maybe a week and a half ago

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or so that to the Stars announced a new

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program a research program that they are

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conducting called atom this is the

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acquisition and data analysis of

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materials now this is what a lot of UFO

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people have been waiting for physical

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evidence materials from downed exotic

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craft as it were and this is what they

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seem to be teasing with us grabbing a

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start

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is going to it has a potential if it

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ends up being real oppositional for

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being a very dangerous that we have it

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shake things up a bit I find it very

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interesting that there are people out

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there who absolutely are convinced that

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they've seen what they've seen and for

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that reason I'm willing to listen and

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again that doesn't mean run to run to

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the hills with your hands in the air

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screaming that the aliens they're coming

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are aliens are coming no one's even

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mentioned the word aliens we're not

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talking about aliens when I'm talking

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about

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extraterrestrial life we're simply

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saying that there is something out there

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in our airspace we don't control we

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don't know what the hell it is and so if

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it's not the eyewitness reports and it's

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not the videos and it's not the

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electrical data it's left

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electromechanical data well all right

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how about material will that be enough

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well you all are agreeing to do is to

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allow us t TSA to maintain temporary

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control of the material for the purposes

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of scientific analysis and research then

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I have additional protection here I'm

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going to go ahead and make sure it's all

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LED shield at RF everything we can

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continue to protect it

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rather than forgetting to fly home I get

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to drive 18 hours now with this stuff I

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mean Jason you have some experience with

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this having worked for a UFO

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organization you've come across this

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type of data and analysis of materials

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many many times so before we get into

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what you think about that this is a

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joint effort between T TSA and earth

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Tech International you know which is

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owned by hell put off one of the members

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of to the stars so right there I found

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that pretty interesting that they're

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sort of announcing that they're working

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with the gentleman who's already a

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member of the program they're working

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with themselves yeah working with

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themselves yes very very interesting

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spin they put on all that but it was it

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was exciting to know that they are

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pursuing actual physical evidence so I

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guess Jason let's get your initial

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reactions to Adam in general do you

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think this is what should we expect from

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this i we do know that there are

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materials and we do know where those

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materials possibly come from in terms of

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the source the people that were in

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possession of them where they may have

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been found here on earth so yeah what do

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you make of Adam so far well with Adam

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my initial reaction is I'm super stoked

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I'm glad it's happening

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and I'm really excited to see where it

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goes but like with all things in this

545
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:21,800
world of strange that we all find

546
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:24,890
ourselves in and with as we've seen with

547
00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:27,530
everything that to the Stars does people

548
00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:29,020
really need to manage their own

549
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:31,700
expectations right I mean I think that's

550
00:21:36,270 --> 00:21:33,530
a problem that a lot of people are

551
00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:36,280
having right now because they hear that

552
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:38,870
there's this new project that's going to

553
00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:40,910
test materials that could potentially be

554
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,100
from extraterrestrials it's easy to get

555
00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:44,960
super worked up and excited by that

556
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:47,870
right how cool is that testing UFO

557
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:50,570
material that's awesome but at the same

558
00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:54,320
time we have to kind of reel back and

559
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,020
just enjoy the ride well it happens and

560
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,080
we do need to pay attention to just like

561
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,440
you mentioned the details like the lab

562
00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:06,320
that they're using yes it is amazing

563
00:22:10,750 --> 00:22:08,030
that they have access to you a high-tech

564
00:22:12,370 --> 00:22:10,760
lab that is great that's something that

565
00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:12,380
you don't have that's something that I

566
00:22:18,430 --> 00:22:15,620
don't have but they have it and that

567
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:18,440
enables them to do so much more than any

568
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:20,330
of us could so they've got resources

569
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:21,710
that's awesome

570
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:25,520
that being said when we do have testing

571
00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:27,290
or results of course that's going to be

572
00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:28,940
scrutinized even more than it would

573
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:31,400
normally right you've got these guys

574
00:22:37,450 --> 00:22:33,770
doing testing in a lab that's not

575
00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:37,460
necessarily in a neutral situation so

576
00:22:42,010 --> 00:22:39,320
it's a private lab owned by somebody

577
00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:42,020
affiliated with the company that could

578
00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:44,150
potentially be a red flag but you know

579
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,280
you still just have to have to roll with

580
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:48,320
it and see what happens in the first

581
00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:49,910
place right now we have no results so

582
00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:52,100
it's it's tough to criticize or or

583
00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:54,350
poopoo anything until something actually

584
00:23:01,420 --> 00:22:57,910
happens but when it comes to material my

585
00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:01,430
personal opinion and again like you said

586
00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:04,070
we did some of this at at open minds we

587
00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:05,780
did testing of material that people

588
00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:08,120
would bring to us and say oh yeah this

589
00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:10,430
is a piece of a UFO that fell in my yard

590
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:12,590
and you know that stuff happens quite

591
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,170
quite often in this field and when

592
00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:16,400
people hear that there's somebody

593
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,580
willing to pay for testing to do it they

594
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:21,200
come out of the woodwork this is also

595
00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:24,050
something that you know sent up not

596
00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:25,700
really flags but it definitely caught my

597
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:27,560
attention when we heard about

598
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:30,650
it's the government's or the Pentagon's

599
00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:34,880
UFO program and contracting with Robert

600
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:37,040
Bigelow and Robert Bigelow allegedly

601
00:23:41,410 --> 00:23:38,690
modifying buildings at Bigelow Aerospace

602
00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:41,420
to house extraterrestrial material or

603
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:43,340
potential extraterrestrial material

604
00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:46,550
that's all cool and exciting but you

605
00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:49,100
have to step back and ask okay where is

606
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:50,420
this material coming from

607
00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:52,610
what is the provenance just because this

608
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,070
is a government contractor and it was

609
00:23:59,860 --> 00:23:56,960
working under a government Pentagon

610
00:24:02,290 --> 00:23:59,870
program doesn't mean that this material

611
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,300
was sourced from government sources or

612
00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:04,400
that the government authenticated it or

613
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:06,950
signed off and said yes the government

614
00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:10,640
has UFOs no I mean we still don't know

615
00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:14,740
how much of that material whatever it is

616
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:17,030
Bigelow already had from his previous

617
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:19,310
exploration into the strange we don't

618
00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:21,770
know you know if these were just from

619
00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:23,390
people saying hey I have a piece of a

620
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:25,220
UFO and that's most likely what they are

621
00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:26,930
but we don't know any more than that and

622
00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:30,040
that's what we get in these cases of

623
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:32,900
organizations testing material that

624
00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:35,090
could be extraterrestrial it's somebody

625
00:24:39,670 --> 00:24:37,460
saying oh yeah I have a story there was

626
00:24:42,490 --> 00:24:39,680
a UFO outside my yard I shot at it and a

627
00:24:44,530 --> 00:24:42,500
piece fell down here you go and they go

628
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:44,540
oh yeah and the guy says oh by the way I

629
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:46,970
was I was in the military and I have

630
00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:48,650
great credentials they're all all right

631
00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:50,840
we vetted this this is a credible case

632
00:24:55,540 --> 00:24:53,300
and you know that's that's good you need

633
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,550
to go down and cross off your boxes but

634
00:25:00,520 --> 00:24:58,400
in the end that's still all it is it's a

635
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,530
story from somebody that claims

636
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:02,240
something and you have a piece of

637
00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:04,100
material and you're going to go test it

638
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:07,550
great but what happens when you have

639
00:25:13,090 --> 00:25:10,610
your test results right if even if your

640
00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:13,100
test results say wow we've never seen

641
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:15,020
anything like this this looks like it

642
00:25:19,090 --> 00:25:17,210
was manufactured opera that's the most

643
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:19,100
likely explanation it's still not

644
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:20,780
concrete proof right yeah it needs to be

645
00:25:24,220 --> 00:25:22,970
tested and tested again and tested again

646
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:24,230
by multiple labs go through the

647
00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:25,910
scientific process like MJ said at the

648
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:27,860
beginning you know it's a very rigorous

649
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:31,010
process for mainstream science let alone

650
00:25:35,170 --> 00:25:32,270
talking about things that could

651
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:35,180
potentially be from a UFO so that makes

652
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:37,250
it even more difficult and really ups

653
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:39,530
the responsibility the burden of proof

654
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:41,090
on the people doing the testing

655
00:25:46,930 --> 00:25:44,210
in this case but even if we accept their

656
00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:46,940
results and say wow this thing is

657
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:50,270
probably from a UFO what does that do

658
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:52,250
what does that do for it for the world

659
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:54,170
for us for the for the UFO research

660
00:26:03,280 --> 00:25:57,770
community what does that do and my

661
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:03,290
opinion is nothing not a thing it sucks

662
00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:06,650
but you know for us in this and for the

663
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:08,360
people who are excited about it I'm a

664
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:11,270
UFO fan you know I want those results I

665
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:13,160
want to hear that announcement it'll be

666
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:15,290
super exciting for me and I'll go that's

667
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,050
cool but I can't really do anything else

668
00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:20,240
with it I'll follow it file it away in

669
00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:22,160
my brain and say okay this is another

670
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:25,220
element I have to work with in forming

671
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:28,430
my own opinions but that's really all it

672
00:26:32,650 --> 00:26:30,890
does it might stir some headlines for a

673
00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:32,660
couple weeks like we saw with the

674
00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:35,960
Pentagon UFO program but people are

675
00:26:40,750 --> 00:26:39,230
gonna move on even if the results you

676
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,760
know go to go to a couple different labs

677
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:43,360
and say this is from an alien spacecraft

678
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,530
that news is still going to fade in a

679
00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:47,840
couple weeks so is it going to change

680
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:51,980
the course of UFO research I don't think

681
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:54,710
so but I love this because it's so I

682
00:26:59,050 --> 00:26:57,440
know it's so paradoxical but on one hand

683
00:27:01,630 --> 00:26:59,060
I say it's not gonna do anything on the

684
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,640
other hand I'm all for it I'm all behind

685
00:27:07,090 --> 00:27:04,640
it 100% and I'm so excited that

686
00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:07,100
somebody's willing to pony up that money

687
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:10,580
and do research like this because I do

688
00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:12,410
think it's incredibly important but

689
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Allah while also saying it's not really

690
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:16,490
gonna do anything I'm jumping here I'll

691
00:27:18,910 --> 00:27:17,810
jump in here cuz I don't actually

692
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,920
disagree so we're gonna have our first

693
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:21,200
debate of the night boys

694
00:27:27,370 --> 00:27:25,610
okay so if let's say okay so and I want

695
00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:27,380
clarify here Jason are you saying that

696
00:27:33,790 --> 00:27:31,340
if multiple labs confirm the data and an

697
00:27:35,860 --> 00:27:33,800
academic peer-reviewed paper is written

698
00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:35,870
and published like we're talking about I

699
00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:36,980
mean we're not with this gonna happen

700
00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:38,060
tomorrow we're talking about this is

701
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:41,150
potentially like five to 10 years before

702
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:43,130
this all happens cuz like testing takes

703
00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:44,690
time and then writing the paper and

704
00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:47,150
confirming your data so assuming that

705
00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:49,070
happens and academic papers written and

706
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:51,380
it comes out yeah we have a piece of

707
00:27:54,510 --> 00:27:53,930
material that is not from this world and

708
00:27:57,580 --> 00:27:54,520
it is

709
00:27:59,530 --> 00:27:57,590
other-worldly confirmed you're

710
00:28:01,300 --> 00:27:59,540
suggesting that that would not change

711
00:28:04,210 --> 00:28:01,310
anything and you in like the study of

712
00:28:06,010 --> 00:28:04,220
UFOs we have we have mainstream

713
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:06,020
scientists who have published peer

714
00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:09,200
review papers confirming the discovery

715
00:28:13,330 --> 00:28:11,240
of extraterrestrial life and that's

716
00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:13,340
mainstream science and they get shot

717
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:15,590
down that stuff barely makes the news

718
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,590
and people move on right I mean now

719
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:20,000
we're talking about UFOs so it's even

720
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:21,470
harder what do you mean you is right

721
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:23,270
there's peer-reviewed papers where

722
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:24,850
scientists have come out and said

723
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:27,230
microbial extraterrestrial life many

724
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:32,060
times over in many different areas that

725
00:28:38,170 --> 00:28:34,940
is that is fully refuted by plenty of

726
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:38,180
scientists it barely makes the news and

727
00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:41,090
then we move on I think ultimately the

728
00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:44,030
what ultimately happens though is is the

729
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:45,740
ball rolls forward a little bit I mean

730
00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:48,530
how many I'm sure as a result of those

731
00:28:54,130 --> 00:28:51,800
papers most astrophysicists now and most

732
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:54,140
astronomers now most scientists now

733
00:29:00,580 --> 00:28:57,770
believe or at least would argue that

734
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:00,590
life exists elsewhere in the cosmos sure

735
00:29:05,530 --> 00:29:03,110
right where maybe a hundred years ago or

736
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:05,540
fifty years ago that would have been

737
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:08,030
viewed as maybe taboo or somewhat

738
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:10,610
heretical to the dogma of science but

739
00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:14,030
now most people believe yeah there's

740
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:16,340
probably extraterrestrial life somewhere

741
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:18,050
out there whether it's coming here is

742
00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:19,730
debatable right it's somewhere out there

743
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:23,240
if suddenly a material shows up that

744
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:26,570
enters the academic world as being ya

745
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:27,890
know it's been confirmed by multiple

746
00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:30,050
labs and and articles been written and

747
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:32,900
and it is I would argue that mainstream

748
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:35,330
academia would now potentially at least

749
00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:37,340
certain people within mainstream

750
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:39,860
academia would start to start studying

751
00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:41,570
the phenomena is being like okay well

752
00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:42,980
maybe something is actually happening

753
00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:45,560
since there is something here right we

754
00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:47,240
have a tangible piece of we have

755
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:48,680
tangible object we can actually study

756
00:29:53,770 --> 00:29:51,050
now but that hasn't really happened with

757
00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:53,780
the fossilized extraterrestrial life

758
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:55,070
right that's what I'm saying it's

759
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:57,910
happened but and many times over and

760
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:00,140
published in peer-reviewed papers but

761
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:02,060
scientists some scientists not all

762
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:03,530
scientist what they dismissed it it's

763
00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:04,970
not world-changing they don't they don't

764
00:30:08,409 --> 00:30:07,100
accept okay now we've confirmed that

765
00:30:10,239 --> 00:30:08,419
extraterrestrial life exists

766
00:30:11,889 --> 00:30:10,249
no they say it's still just an idea to

767
00:30:14,139 --> 00:30:11,899
them that oh yeah I think it's feasible

768
00:30:17,769 --> 00:30:14,149
that it's there somewhere it doesn't

769
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:17,779
change the established accepted reality

770
00:30:21,879 --> 00:30:19,700
but they have discovered

771
00:30:23,769 --> 00:30:21,889
extraterrestrial life so everyone

772
00:30:26,109 --> 00:30:23,779
accepted Newton's theory of gravity when

773
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:26,119
it was a theory and now is a fact right

774
00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:28,820
and not everyone accepted Einstein's

775
00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:30,830
theory of relativity right not everyone

776
00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:33,409
accepted the quantum mechanic theory

777
00:30:36,369 --> 00:30:34,909
when it first started right like I mean

778
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:36,379
ultimately everything takes time right

779
00:30:41,529 --> 00:30:39,289
like absolutely absolutely so ultimately

780
00:30:43,749 --> 00:30:41,539
if we can you know if that ball starts

781
00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:43,759
rolling if one thing happens other

782
00:30:47,499 --> 00:30:45,830
things might happen right and then

783
00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:47,509
alternately it becomes science fact

784
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:49,580
versus science fiction right yeah

785
00:30:53,409 --> 00:30:51,710
absolutely it's a process man that's why

786
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,419
I said I mean I I don't don't think

787
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,039
we're gonna notice any changes and

788
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:56,960
certainly not anytime soon but I think

789
00:30:59,799 --> 00:30:58,850
it's incredibly worthwhile and I agree

790
00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:59,809
with you there I don't think there's

791
00:31:03,369 --> 00:31:01,700
gonna be like you know suddenly tomorrow

792
00:31:05,259 --> 00:31:03,379
everyone believes in aliens I agree with

793
00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:05,269
both of you guys I think you know the

794
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,950
needle will move forward a little bit

795
00:31:11,229 --> 00:31:09,440
but it's just gonna be you know that's

796
00:31:14,109 --> 00:31:11,239
when you pendulum at this point you know

797
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:14,119
like maybe maybe maybe they will find

798
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:16,340
some sort of isotopic ratio in this

799
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:18,049
material that says there's no way it was

800
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:20,210
from here or it's so anomalous that

801
00:31:24,729 --> 00:31:22,460
there's no explaining it but in terms of

802
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:24,739
the teaser we got with Adam of the

803
00:31:30,129 --> 00:31:27,710
materials they are in possession with we

804
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,139
saw and this was done by the diligence

805
00:31:35,229 --> 00:31:32,720
of you know many UFO researchers out

806
00:31:38,049 --> 00:31:35,239
there and just you know people who are

807
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:38,059
following this to the nth degree they

808
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:40,369
were able to read the documents in the

809
00:31:45,129 --> 00:31:43,369
teaser trailer one was from Rendlesham a

810
00:31:48,369 --> 00:31:45,139
possible material from the Rendlesham

811
00:31:50,499 --> 00:31:48,379
UFO event of 1980 now this is

812
00:31:53,109 --> 00:31:50,509
interesting because first and foremost

813
00:31:55,149 --> 00:31:53,119
we've never heard of any material having

814
00:31:56,769 --> 00:31:55,159
been collected and then we find out that

815
00:31:58,269 --> 00:31:56,779
Colonel Hall to the base commander at

816
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:58,279
the time said that some was collected

817
00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:00,980
shipped off to Germany somewhere but in

818
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:03,109
these documents that were in the teaser

819
00:32:07,749 --> 00:32:06,049
trailer for atom it clearly states we

820
00:32:09,789 --> 00:32:07,759
have no idea if this is actually from

821
00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:09,799
Rendlesham or not now

822
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:12,980
since that has happened these documents

823
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:14,450
in the trailer for atom have been

824
00:32:19,149 --> 00:32:16,940
blurred out they re uploaded the video

825
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:19,159
and blurred out the documents not

826
00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:21,740
thinking that anyone would go

827
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:23,800
you know the diligence of actually

828
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:26,510
dissecting what might be on those papers

829
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,030
so in terms of that I think with this

830
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:32,000
first outing for Adam people were not

831
00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:34,310
impressed these materials seemed to not

832
00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:37,400
really be of any importance but again

833
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:39,380
this is a teaser they're trying to sell

834
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:41,690
this project to us so that maybe they

835
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:43,580
will have more anomalous things to look

836
00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:45,770
at in the future so I think that's sort

837
00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:47,180
of where I stand in terms of the needle

838
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:49,190
moving forward if this project is going

839
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:51,230
to be of importance and what it might

840
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:54,890
hold for the future of both TTS a atom

841
00:33:00,160 --> 00:32:58,250
and UFO studies in general I see both

842
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,170
sides of it but before we we sort of

843
00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:02,000
move on from that guys MJ you personally

844
00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:04,550
spoke to help put off the VP of science

845
00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:07,190
and tech forty TSA and the owner of

846
00:33:11,950 --> 00:33:09,500
earth tech what did he have to say about

847
00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:11,960
all this what do you what do you what he

848
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:14,420
specifically want to know I some of it's

849
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:15,860
on record some of its off some kind of

850
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:20,090
nebulous universe yeah so um I mean

851
00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:23,390
ultimately in my article it's a it's for

852
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:25,640
dr. put off it's it's a it's a straight

853
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:28,100
sort of contractual agreement if TTS a

854
00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:31,490
comes into possession of a material that

855
00:33:37,270 --> 00:33:34,520
they deem worthy of being analyzed

856
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:37,280
TTS a sends material to earth tech earth

857
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:39,290
tech charges its fee to do the analysis

858
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:42,020
and then provides the results back to

859
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:45,170
TTS a so it's a straight contract

860
00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:48,110
according to dr. put off which makes

861
00:33:52,450 --> 00:33:51,080
sense you know I I want to note in all

862
00:33:56,620 --> 00:33:52,460
this and I think this is important and I

863
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:56,630
think being someone who whose entire may

864
00:34:00,400 --> 00:33:58,790
be youthful ah djegal purpose is is not

865
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:00,410
so much to study the phenomena but to

866
00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:03,110
study the UFO community a lot of a lot

867
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:05,180
of criticism has been has been thrown at

868
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:08,810
TTS a and earth Tech and how put off in

869
00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:10,730
regards that this is sort of too close

870
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:12,919
right you know doctor put off is is a

871
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:15,140
member of TTS a and TTS a is using his

872
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:18,010
lab and you know this is sort of this

873
00:34:22,899 --> 00:34:20,750
potential you know maybe conflict of

874
00:34:24,370 --> 00:34:22,909
interest or something yeah I'm not

875
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,380
really sure if that's the case I mean

876
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:26,480
really fundamentally dr. put off is

877
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:30,560
receiving no money from TTS a apart from

878
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:33,050
if there is a meta material or a

879
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,950
material that they want studied

880
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:37,679
his lab you know will be paid for that

881
00:34:42,379 --> 00:34:41,040
particular work I suppose but at the end

882
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:42,389
of the day he personally received no

883
00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:44,760
money from TTS a he personally receives

884
00:34:51,319 --> 00:34:48,389
no no no sort of funding or royalties or

885
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:51,329
anything um starting the project in 2017

886
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,579
he did receive five thousand roughly

887
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,800
singers close to six thousand sort of

888
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,800
shares in TTS a Class B shares which is

889
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:00,240
all in the circular like the offering

890
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:02,490
circular for investors but that's about

891
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:03,030
it

892
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:04,380
and those shares right now are worthless

893
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,089
at the end of the day it's not a

894
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:08,220
publicly traded company so so those

895
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:11,010
shares are worth less than the paper

896
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,859
they're written on so really I'm not

897
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:15,900
sure if I nationalist econ conflict yet

898
00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:19,500
and I mean his lab has been doing this

899
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:21,750
type of work for a long time I'm not

900
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,780
sure who else is really out there who

901
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:26,700
who has the resources and the ability

902
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,710
and all that the technical expertise to

903
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,720
do this yeah and I want to clarify you

904
00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:32,400
know I have no reason to doubt his

905
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,099
integrity you know and obviously the

906
00:35:38,359 --> 00:35:37,920
people in the academy were chosen for a

907
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:38,369
reason

908
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:40,940
I know you select people who have

909
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:43,770
resources and skills and and things that

910
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:45,390
align with what you're trying to achieve

911
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:49,740
and this resource you know obviously was

912
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:51,720
was hugely beneficial to the company so

913
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:53,310
I do want to put that out there I I

914
00:35:58,309 --> 00:35:56,490
personally don't have a problem with his

915
00:36:01,280 --> 00:35:58,319
lab doing the testing but that is

916
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,290
something that people on the outside or

917
00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:03,359
people in the scientific community might

918
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:05,550
see as a red flag and something to

919
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,810
consider and it should you should you

920
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:08,460
should keep that in mind when when

921
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,920
viewing whatever results come yeah I

922
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:12,599
mean you have to have to be critical you

923
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:14,099
have to remain critical and vigilant I

924
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:16,140
mean at the end of the day you can't

925
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:19,160
just buy into any everything hardly

926
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,200
however you know the problem is again as

927
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:23,520
someone who sort of studies the UFO

928
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:25,290
community we tend to jump into stuff

929
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:27,060
half-cocked we have half of the

930
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:29,430
information and then we just make up the

931
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,890
rest in our own minds and then start you

932
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:33,839
know taking shots when we don't really

933
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:36,599
have any ammunition ultimately to think

934
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:38,790
that that you know T TSA is gonna send

935
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:39,930
these materials to earth tech earth

936
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,310
Kooks gonna study them send the data

937
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:42,960
back and then TJ's gonna come out and

938
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:45,150
say holy crap earth Tech has confirmed

939
00:36:48,779 --> 00:36:46,930
this is alien or this is Otherworld

940
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:48,789
whatever that's not gonna happen right

941
00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:52,150
Earth Tech is is a legitimate

942
00:36:56,849 --> 00:36:54,849
organization that is in collaboration

943
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:56,859
with dozens of other labs globally I

944
00:37:01,529 --> 00:36:59,020
mean to think that if they get a hit

945
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,539
let's say on a material that to their

946
00:37:06,779 --> 00:37:04,480
experts into their their team is

947
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:06,789
anomalous they're not gonna simply say

948
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:08,710
yeah that's it evidence here it is boom

949
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:10,690
done you know we're writing a paper they

950
00:37:14,609 --> 00:37:12,460
obviously are gonna collaborate with

951
00:37:16,529 --> 00:37:14,619
other labs other independent labs in

952
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:16,539
this process you have to you have to

953
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:18,430
send that material off and it has to be

954
00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:21,730
studied by others who are a much more of

955
00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:23,619
an arm's length away if not you know

956
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,500
several arms lengths away because you

957
00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:29,440
need you need your data to be double

958
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:30,670
check triple check quadruple checked

959
00:37:35,279 --> 00:37:32,890
before you can even begin to think about

960
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:35,289
this being something legitimate that we

961
00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:38,380
need to actually present to academia and

962
00:37:42,029 --> 00:37:40,150
sort of the mainstream community but

963
00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:42,039
again the UFO community is like I said I

964
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:44,140
love them and they're beautiful and

965
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:46,630
crazy at the same time they're gonna say

966
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:48,220
holy crap it's earth Tech while these

967
00:37:52,529 --> 00:37:50,470
guys is put off in his history and

968
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:52,539
whatever therefore you know it's a big

969
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:54,430
write-off III would think that that's

970
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:56,140
pretty short-sighted that being said

971
00:38:00,480 --> 00:37:58,450
criticism and and critical thinking are

972
00:38:02,849 --> 00:38:00,490
always important here so yeah the other

973
00:38:05,819 --> 00:38:02,859
thing to guys' in terms of atom is the

974
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:05,829
transparency Alejandro Rojas our good

975
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:08,049
friend over at open minds UFO radio he

976
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:09,970
did want to chime in here he sent me

977
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:12,250
this earlier today he said I personally

978
00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:14,650
think atom project is a good thing it's

979
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:16,420
great to have a place to go that can

980
00:38:20,099 --> 00:38:18,190
fund and perform this sort of analysis

981
00:38:22,109 --> 00:38:20,109
however I would like to see more

982
00:38:23,779 --> 00:38:22,119
clarification on how the owners of the

983
00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:23,789
material will be looped in and

984
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:27,460
assurances findings will be shared many

985
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:29,260
who submitted material to Bigelow in the

986
00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:31,180
past do not feel that they had a

987
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:33,940
positive experience in this group is you

988
00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:37,270
know basically Bigelow group 2.0 so I I

989
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:38,799
have that concern to you I don't know

990
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:41,260
how you guys feel about okay so say they

991
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:43,990
do get these results back and it is so

992
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:46,510
anomalous that there's almost no way it

993
00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:48,670
could be from earth again I I don't

994
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:51,220
necessarily buy into that just yet but

995
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:54,010
say they did you know how how can we

996
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,990
trust that they are going to bring that

997
00:38:58,980 --> 00:38:58,240
information to the public that has

998
00:39:02,340 --> 00:38:58,990
shares in

999
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:02,350
this I guess is my my concern I think if

1000
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:04,270
we're looking for like province right on

1001
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:07,630
on on all of this one project Adam just

1002
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:10,150
started so yeah really you know you're

1003
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:12,070
not gonna get any documentation for a

1004
00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:13,720
while because at the end of the day

1005
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:16,420
someone who submits a material or an

1006
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:18,430
artifact or whatever for study it's

1007
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:22,600
gonna take years before sort of anything

1008
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:25,630
really interesting happens I think you

1009
00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:27,550
know they're gonna study material and

1010
00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:28,660
it's gonna come back yeah I know it's

1011
00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:29,980
like a piece of aluminum from like a

1012
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:31,960
bicycle or something I think you're

1013
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:34,090
gonna get a lot of negatives a lot of

1014
00:39:37,530 --> 00:39:36,040
noise right but if a signal ever shows

1015
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:37,540
operative if you ever get sort of a hit

1016
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:39,010
we're holy crap this is something

1017
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:40,930
interesting you know TTS a is not gonna

1018
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:42,670
then suddenly release well this is the

1019
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:44,380
guy who sent it to us and here's all the

1020
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:45,910
province documents and whatever because

1021
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:47,500
ultimately what's gonna happen to that

1022
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:51,310
person who who submitted that that

1023
00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:52,630
artifact right all to me they're gonna

1024
00:39:59,760 --> 00:39:56,200
get bombarded by not only media and you

1025
00:40:01,170 --> 00:39:59,770
know every sort of shock journalists but

1026
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:01,180
know that they're gonna get bombarded by

1027
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:02,770
the UFO community who's gonna come out

1028
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:05,380
and start emailing and and and showing

1029
00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:06,850
up at their house and whatever and being

1030
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:08,440
like you know we want to talk to you

1031
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:10,270
whatever I mean there's a lot of privacy

1032
00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:12,430
concerns and play here and the vast

1033
00:40:16,349 --> 00:40:13,900
majority of people who submit stuff

1034
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:16,359
undoubtedly to T TSA don't want their

1035
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:18,910
names out there they have something here

1036
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:21,460
it is and I think it's interesting and

1037
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:23,530
again whether it is or not that's gonna

1038
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,280
be obviously looked at debated but again

1039
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:29,440
you don't want you you want to really

1040
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:31,510
make sure your your your eyes are dotted

1041
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,609
and your t's crossed which again is

1042
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:36,400
gonna take years before you start

1043
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:38,380
providing okay this is the individual I

1044
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:39,369
know that you need that individuals

1045
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:40,570
permission like the individual might say

1046
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:42,340
listen yeah here's the material I don't

1047
00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:44,050
want anymore or I want to hold on to it

1048
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,160
but you can study it whatever but I

1049
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:46,480
don't my name anywhere attached to this

1050
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:48,700
you know what if the individual like our

1051
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:50,260
good friend Isaac Oi right you know

1052
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:52,810
Isaac coy is a a UFO researcher but and

1053
00:40:55,859 --> 00:40:54,580
he's a great UFO researcher I have

1054
00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:55,869
nothing but the utmost respect for him

1055
00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:58,900
but his job is that total risk if anyone

1056
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:01,180
finds out who he is right he you know

1057
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:03,220
all we know he's a lawyer so at the end

1058
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:05,350
of the day I can imagine him wanting to

1059
00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:06,790
keep significant distance between his

1060
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:08,260
sort of personal life and his

1061
00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:11,230
professional life as a lawyer and his

1062
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:12,790
sort of the UFO life I can

1063
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:14,710
if somebody owns something that that

1064
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:16,840
they say you know came out of a UFO and

1065
00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:18,130
people are gonna think I'm nuts and I

1066
00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:20,320
own a multi-million dollar tech industry

1067
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:23,080
or I you know work for this newspaper or

1068
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:25,570
whatever whoever I am it's gonna destroy

1069
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:27,730
their entire life if if suddenly the UFO

1070
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:30,010
community finds out who this person is

1071
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:32,230
so again you know we need to be cautious

1072
00:41:35,490 --> 00:41:33,910
and TTS a I think is doing a pretty

1073
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:35,500
decent job of being cautious here you

1074
00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:37,360
know you need to walk a fine line once

1075
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:38,860
in a while you know gets leaked on

1076
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:40,390
on someone's website but at the end of

1077
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,030
the day you know caution is important

1078
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:45,040
and and I hope that that the atom

1079
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:47,770
projects or walks that path a little bit

1080
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:49,810
it's not gonna satisfy everyone's

1081
00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:52,300
immediate curiosity and it's not gonna

1082
00:41:56,670 --> 00:41:54,520
give half answers either it's gonna it's

1083
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:56,680
gonna have to provide we have done our

1084
00:41:59,310 --> 00:41:58,390
due diligence on this this last thing

1085
00:42:00,780 --> 00:41:59,320
also means all UMass there's also

1086
00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:00,790
litigation right I mean you know people

1087
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:03,160
sign NDA's people sign privacy contracts

1088
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,410
whatever you start violating that stuff

1089
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:08,560
men like you are gonna be in court for a

1090
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:10,840
while so and lawyers are expensive

1091
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:12,940
absent want to just encourage people

1092
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:17,440
again to manage expectations and also be

1093
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:20,170
realistic with to the stars you know I

1094
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:22,630
think a lot of people have been you know

1095
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:23,890
they were caught off guard went to the

1096
00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:26,530
stars came on the scene and kind of

1097
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:28,900
overly excited I mean it's certainly

1098
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,180
exciting and and it's great to have a

1099
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:33,280
company like this in existence and and

1100
00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:35,530
part of the UFO community but at the

1101
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:37,600
same time I think people need to take a

1102
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:40,390
more realistic approach at what the

1103
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:43,810
company is and how it is it's just

1104
00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:45,700
individuals trying to do something that

1105
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:47,470
we're all interested in right there

1106
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:49,030
they're not we put them up on this

1107
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:51,430
pedestal but they're still just guys

1108
00:42:57,870 --> 00:42:54,670
trying to achieve something and

1109
00:43:00,060 --> 00:42:57,880
something great and they're not perfect

1110
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:00,070
they're a small company they just

1111
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:03,610
started so I think they deserve a little

1112
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:06,850
slack here and you know we can't hold

1113
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,870
them to some unrealistic high

1114
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:12,640
expectation I'm going into all this

1115
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:13,960
expecting that they're going to do

1116
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:16,140
everything perfect on the first try and

1117
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:18,610
just live up to everything that our

1118
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:22,810
dream UFO mega company would be because

1119
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:25,990
that's not what to the Stars is yeah

1120
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:28,840
yeah I agree III you know the whiskey's

1121
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:30,670
kicking in which is hmm this is why I

1122
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:33,130
got you on MJ I knew I would it barely

1123
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:35,770
have to talk tonight gentlemen yeah you

1124
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:38,500
know and I think the the one this is

1125
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,210
this is generally sort of telling of

1126
00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:41,920
like I said sort of the UFO community

1127
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:44,680
and and and how it functions right like

1128
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:46,810
we probably all agree the UFO community

1129
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:49,140
sort of is this beautiful anarchy of

1130
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:51,490
individual or this an orchestra and our

1131
00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:54,610
kiss and our and our a beautiful anarchy

1132
00:44:01,080 --> 00:43:57,700
of individuals who sort of do whatever

1133
00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:01,090
they want and there really is no throne

1134
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:03,460
in ufology there really is no throne in

1135
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:05,350
UFO discourse there's no governing body

1136
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:08,530
I think TTS a and maybe move on or sort

1137
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:10,930
of some of our sort of closest temples

1138
00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:13,510
that sort of people worship but but

1139
00:44:18,510 --> 00:44:16,360
ultimately there's as many skeptics and

1140
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:18,520
critics of T TSA and MUFON as there are

1141
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,090
members and-and-and believers so I think

1142
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:23,680
this is pretty telling I think I think

1143
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:26,290
the UFO community once someone comes out

1144
00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:27,430
and says listen we're gonna throw money

1145
00:44:30,180 --> 00:44:28,660
into this and we're gonna actually do a

1146
00:44:31,859 --> 00:44:30,190
proper study and it's gonna take time

1147
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:31,869
and it's gonna take effort and it's

1148
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:33,430
gonna it's you know we're not gonna get

1149
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:36,550
results for a while of course the UFO

1150
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:38,770
community is gonna be divided on this

1151
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:40,390
and of course the UFO community is gonna

1152
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:43,540
be totally at odds with itself sort of

1153
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:46,330
trying to figure who's on whose side and

1154
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:48,030
lines are being drawn and people are

1155
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,710
trolling each other on social media and

1156
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:53,440
going after each other and and really we

1157
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,180
see this all the time I I mean this is

1158
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:56,800
this is no different than any other

1159
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:58,210
organization that's come forward you

1160
00:45:00,990 --> 00:44:59,290
know I'm sure dudes went through the

1161
00:45:02,490 --> 00:45:01,000
same thing I'm sure bass went through

1162
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,500
the same thing anything Bigelow has ever

1163
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:04,000
touched has gone through the same thing

1164
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:06,130
MUFON is going through the same thing

1165
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:08,500
and and whether this is you know the UFO

1166
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:09,730
community or maybe who knows the

1167
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:12,220
phenomenon itself just you know messing

1168
00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:13,030
with us

1169
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:15,400
large companies like this large

1170
00:45:20,609 --> 00:45:17,560
organizations like this that start are

1171
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:20,619
always met with resistance because just

1172
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:23,410
the UFO community functions in this way

1173
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:27,790
of resisting it disconnects from things

1174
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:29,740
and then it reattaches like I said it's

1175
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:31,900
total chaos and anarchy and maybe the

1176
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:33,250
phenomenon whatever it is like I said

1177
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:34,990
doesn't like wants it that way you know

1178
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:38,590
maybe part of it is is that you know T

1179
00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:39,820
TSA is

1180
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:42,340
is struggling because you know you're

1181
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:44,740
trying to control a phenomena that's

1182
00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:46,900
uncontrollable but that's philosophical

1183
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:48,460
we can get there later if there's time I

1184
00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:49,510
don't know if we want to break this

1185
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:52,120
earlier well here's my little rant about

1186
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:54,130
the the you have folk community you know

1187
00:45:59,970 --> 00:45:56,290
I think the UFO community is its own

1188
00:46:01,410 --> 00:45:59,980
worst enemy and we see a time and time

1189
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:01,420
again we certainly are saying it with to

1190
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:04,500
the Stars where you know anybody who

1191
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:07,570
enters this arena and starts doing

1192
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:10,510
something new or something different the

1193
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,140
community from within is very quick to

1194
00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:17,760
pounce and sort of attack something that

1195
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:21,880
is seemingly contradictory to what we're

1196
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,470
trying to achieve you know somebody's

1197
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:25,920
trying to do some sort of research

1198
00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:30,220
related to UFOs but at the same time we

1199
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,300
go and attack them and say that you know

1200
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:36,160
we don't think that what they're doing

1201
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:38,740
is beneficial to the community to the

1202
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:41,590
UFO community so we do everything we can

1203
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:44,350
to bring them down to hack into their

1204
00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:46,900
web sites and get information and

1205
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,550
publish it all over the place and and

1206
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:50,560
bad melt them any chance we get before

1207
00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:52,120
they've even had a chance to do anything

1208
00:46:56,850 --> 00:46:54,760
I don't understand that mentality I

1209
00:46:58,530 --> 00:46:56,860
think a lot of people are looking for a

1210
00:47:01,020 --> 00:46:58,540
savior we see that plenty you know

1211
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:01,030
they're looking for a source to provide

1212
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:02,380
them with all of the answers that

1213
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:05,400
they're looking for and if they don't

1214
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:07,780
instantaneously get that then that's the

1215
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:10,210
enemy and that personally affects them

1216
00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:11,710
and they view that as the enemy they

1217
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:14,320
view that as causing harm to this

1218
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:16,450
community that they they you know

1219
00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:20,560
worship so I think really it's

1220
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:23,560
advantageous and recommended for people

1221
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:25,390
if you're truly interested in this

1222
00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:28,630
subject to understand and you know be

1223
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:30,340
comfortable in your own beliefs and

1224
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:33,310
understand that it doesn't affect you at

1225
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,550
all

1226
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:35,920
what other people are doing in the UFO

1227
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,700
community you know to the Stars can you

1228
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:40,960
know become best friends with

1229
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:43,180
extraterrestrials and have parties with

1230
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:46,420
awesome UFO landings and and blink-182 a

1231
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:47,410
play it'll be awesome

1232
00:47:53,220 --> 00:47:50,110
they could also fold up and be gone

1233
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:53,230
tomorrow does that affect me no it does

1234
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:53,690
not

1235
00:48:00,340 --> 00:47:57,920
does it harm UFO research in the sense

1236
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,350
that they're no longer they don't have

1237
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,520
their lab anymore and they're not doing

1238
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:02,720
testing and doing the things that

1239
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:05,270
they're doing but personally I'm not

1240
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:07,430
affected by that it doesn't change the

1241
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:09,650
research I've done it doesn't change my

1242
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:13,780
view on UFOs and frankly after the the

1243
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:16,790
few headlines that come and go it's not

1244
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:18,560
going to affect mainstream either so

1245
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:20,690
people really need to understand be

1246
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:22,490
comfortable in what you want to believe

1247
00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:25,310
in pursue your own research and don't be

1248
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:27,020
affected by other people I mean you're

1249
00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:29,300
is affected as you choose to to let

1250
00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:32,540
happen right I mean I I don't like MJ or

1251
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,790
Ryan at all like I don't agree with

1252
00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:36,800
anything they say I think they're

1253
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:39,020
but I still come on the show

1254
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:40,610
and I you know I pretend to be nice

1255
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,290
because you know what I don't care if

1256
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,520
they're it doesn't affect me

1257
00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:45,680
exactly and you've got a website to plug

1258
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:48,200
you know just just kidding I don't think

1259
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:49,790
you're all the time not all the

1260
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:50,210
time

1261
00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:52,010
I do want to add right there Jason

1262
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,540
though to sort of elaborate on what you

1263
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:55,280
said at the end of the day to the Stars

1264
00:49:05,080 --> 00:48:58,010
doesn't give a about us or the UFL

1265
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:05,090
community as a whole what I was going to

1266
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:08,450
say is that like you said Jason they're

1267
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:09,590
gonna do their work they're gonna

1268
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,180
release the videos that they get

1269
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,040
Declassified or that have been

1270
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:15,200
declassified they're gonna study their

1271
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:16,940
materials and I'm gonna go out and

1272
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:18,950
interview witnesses I'm gonna do my

1273
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,170
thing and at the end of the day like

1274
00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:22,880
we're all just searching for our own

1275
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,030
personal truths within all this they're

1276
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:28,400
gonna come up with their results whether

1277
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:30,560
it's meta materials whether it's video

1278
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:32,660
analysis whether it's this that whatever

1279
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,270
that's fine I'm gonna come up with my

1280
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,520
own conclusions there is no one single

1281
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:39,440
truth to all this I think that's what a

1282
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:42,140
lot of the skeptics are debunkers have

1283
00:49:47,050 --> 00:49:44,270
to keep in mind and the believers that

1284
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,060
to the Stars is not out to solve the UFO

1285
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:50,000
question they specifically state that

1286
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,760
they are trying to figure out what these

1287
00:49:57,790 --> 00:49:55,040
things are and how it can benefit

1288
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:57,800
humanity so right there yes they have a

1289
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,630
mission in mind are they going to get

1290
00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:01,520
there I sure sell hope so I think it'd

1291
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:03,980
be pretty awesome but at the end

1292
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,810
of the day like they're not searching

1293
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:07,520
for that one puzzle

1294
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:09,080
that's been missing in the UFO field

1295
00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:12,410
because no one's found it in 75 years 80

1296
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:14,060
years at this point and I don't think

1297
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:16,790
anyone's ever going to find that and I

1298
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:19,940
think they know that too but why not if

1299
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:22,370
you have a passion for this subject why

1300
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:24,230
not if you have the resources and you

1301
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:26,510
can get these intelligence people

1302
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:28,970
involved why not give it a try yeah I

1303
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:31,010
think it's awesome and I encourage

1304
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:32,930
people to do that I think what they are

1305
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:35,690
doing is awesome I hope they continue to

1306
00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:37,340
do it I hope they have incredible

1307
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:39,350
success but I also want to say yeah

1308
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:41,030
you're you're exactly right you don't

1309
00:50:46,030 --> 00:50:43,130
give a what you think and they

1310
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:46,040
don't need you or me defending them and

1311
00:50:50,350 --> 00:50:48,380
when I say my comments about to the

1312
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:50,360
stars I'm not doing it to defend them

1313
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,180
I'm just trying to encourage people to

1314
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:55,280
have have a better thought process

1315
00:51:00,100 --> 00:50:56,450
that'll help them sleep better at night

1316
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:00,110
but i i'm i'm a fan of to the stars at

1317
00:51:05,470 --> 00:51:02,360
this point you know i am curious a

1318
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:05,480
curious onlooker and i'm happy to see

1319
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:07,850
things happening that again don't

1320
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:09,800
personally affect me i don't have to do

1321
00:51:15,490 --> 00:51:12,770
anything but i can periodically check in

1322
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:15,500
and see that they're doing some stuff

1323
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:16,670
that could potentially be really cool

1324
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:18,830
it's an interesting way to look at it i

1325
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:20,180
mean you know again from my perspective

1326
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:22,550
like i said i studied the culture in the

1327
00:51:27,610 --> 00:51:25,430
community so my research and my work is

1328
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:27,620
very much sort of influenced by to the

1329
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:31,160
stars only sort of insofar as we are

1330
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:33,620
literally allocating like an hour or

1331
00:51:39,070 --> 00:51:35,270
whatever of our time to talking about

1332
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:39,080
them and they take up a lot of room in

1333
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:40,850
the UFO world i have to be honest like

1334
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:43,790
when you when you go into discussions

1335
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:46,700
and when you go into social media and

1336
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,130
when you go into sort of the various

1337
00:51:54,580 --> 00:51:52,400
pockets of UFO discourse to the stars

1338
00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:54,590
take a book takes up a lot of oxygen and

1339
00:51:58,990 --> 00:51:56,750
and I sort of said this a year ago

1340
00:52:01,330 --> 00:51:59,000
literally sitting in the same room in my

1341
00:52:03,310 --> 00:52:01,340
home looking at the same laptop at this

1342
00:52:05,830 --> 00:52:03,320
picture of Jason which hasn't changed in

1343
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:05,840
a year and it's my Skype account thanks

1344
00:52:11,050 --> 00:52:06,910
for pointing that out

1345
00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:11,060
update man come on my point is I I said

1346
00:52:13,870 --> 00:52:12,620
one year ago and I wrote an article

1347
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:13,880
because I mysterious universe you can

1348
00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:15,770
really fact check this if you want my

1349
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:19,790
biggest concern was that t TSA would

1350
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:21,080
would drown

1351
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:23,270
out other voices within the community

1352
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,190
that was my biggest concern right it

1353
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:27,520
would become such over that yeah big

1354
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:30,110
cultural phenomena within the community

1355
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:32,090
right within the UFO community a big

1356
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:34,310
cultural phenomena that we would

1357
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:37,070
allocate significant time to literally

1358
00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:39,470
arguing about it and talking about it

1359
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:41,720
and dissecting it and and what gets lost

1360
00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:45,290
is is airtime and what gets lost is

1361
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:48,680
discourse surrounding other voices

1362
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:51,230
within the community um I'm I'm not

1363
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:54,110
gonna qualify sort of different voices

1364
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:55,310
in the UFO community I'm not gonna say

1365
00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:57,530
one individual or one researcher is

1366
00:53:01,480 --> 00:52:59,090
better than another unless they're

1367
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:01,490
frauds that's another discussion but I'm

1368
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:03,620
not gonna sort of qualify who's better

1369
00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:07,190
and who's not again ufology and UFO

1370
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:08,870
discourses this isn't anarchy

1371
00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:11,270
so I can't necessarily qualify but what

1372
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:14,030
occurs is Tom DeLonge and tea tsa is

1373
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:17,090
taking up like I said a lot of media

1374
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,220
attention and a lot of airtime where the

1375
00:53:25,330 --> 00:53:22,640
smaller voices become lost within the

1376
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:25,340
shouting and and I was concerned with

1377
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:27,170
this a year ago I'm still concerned with

1378
00:53:31,090 --> 00:53:29,720
it today I think to the Stars is great

1379
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:31,100
I think the work they're doing is great

1380
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:34,730
I have I I have only high hopes but I

1381
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:36,430
think we need to be cautious and

1382
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:40,640
critical when when to the stars becomes

1383
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:44,810
very loud and we start to see other

1384
00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:47,270
individuals sort of retreat into into

1385
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:49,430
the background in the darkness because

1386
00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:51,470
they can't they can't compete let's say

1387
00:53:55,930 --> 00:53:54,590
with to the stars is spotlight I'll say

1388
00:53:57,550 --> 00:53:55,940
with what I've seen and there the

1389
00:53:59,500 --> 00:53:57,560
production value of what they're putting

1390
00:54:01,960 --> 00:53:59,510
out if they put some Angels and Airwaves

1391
00:54:05,890 --> 00:54:01,970
music behind that I'll crank it and let

1392
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:05,900
them get as loud as they want and direct

1393
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:06,830
to our lives

1394
00:54:14,410 --> 00:54:11,930
nobody likes punk music anymore the one

1395
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:14,420
thing I'll say guys in terms of that is

1396
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:17,330
if you are one of these people who are

1397
00:54:23,740 --> 00:54:19,930
out there calling people idiots and

1398
00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:23,750
stupid for following tts a or rooting

1399
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:26,600
them on all I have to say is what the

1400
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:28,310
hell are you doing what are you

1401
00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:30,860
contributing to the field that that's

1402
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:32,660
I'm putting that challenge out there if

1403
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:34,670
you're so against this

1404
00:54:39,730 --> 00:54:36,920
so vehement Lee against what these

1405
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:39,740
people are doing trying god forbid

1406
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:43,040
someone try to find new things to study

1407
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:45,080
in the UFO field what what are you doing

1408
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,700
so I'm putting that challenge out to

1409
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:49,040
those people right now and you know here

1410
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:51,710
so much why do people have other

1411
00:54:56,590 --> 00:54:54,020
feelings than you do I don't care I feel

1412
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:56,600
like I love T TSA I will say that right

1413
00:55:00,520 --> 00:54:58,610
now I have their sticker I have their

1414
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:00,530
head I have their t-shirt and I get flak

1415
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:02,930
for that I went to the headquarters a

1416
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:04,730
couple months ago because I'm a

1417
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:07,730
fanboy I love this stuff anything with

1418
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:11,150
UFOs I'm there again like MJ said except

1419
00:55:17,110 --> 00:55:13,490
for the frauds and I don't think that's

1420
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:17,120
what T TSA is doing so yeah again what

1421
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:18,950
are you contributing to the field that

1422
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:22,220
gives you the right to be so anti T TSA

1423
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:24,470
or put those down who actually think

1424
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:26,990
this is a good idea yeah I agree I mean

1425
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:29,330
I have to be honest I have been critical

1426
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:31,730
of T TSA however everything I personally

1427
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:33,230
have been critical against you know I

1428
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:36,170
have evidence to suggest that you know

1429
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:39,760
one ought to be critical accidentally or

1430
00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:43,550
whether you were hacked or whatever the

1431
00:55:50,290 --> 00:55:46,460
fact of the matter is that a document

1432
00:55:52,570 --> 00:55:50,300
sort of being leaked that's a big ball

1433
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:52,580
to drop and ultimately I think an

1434
00:55:56,650 --> 00:55:54,890
organization that that is that takes the

1435
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:56,660
sin that takes that data in confidence

1436
00:56:00,880 --> 00:55:58,490
ought to be held to account when it

1437
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,890
can't keep it in confidence so I don't

1438
00:56:05,230 --> 00:56:03,200
apologize what I'm critical and address

1439
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:05,240
I'm a relatively critical voice of T TSA

1440
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:07,910
I believe in its mission I and I believe

1441
00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:10,220
in I guess the ideals of it or the idea

1442
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:12,680
of it but I'm also you know a journalist

1443
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:14,570
I'm also a writer and and again I also

1444
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,180
study the culture so when you screw up

1445
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:19,520
and I'm paying attention I'm gonna write

1446
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:21,410
an article about it because like I said

1447
00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:24,260
you need to be held to a standard and

1448
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:27,560
and I think that what happens on social

1449
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:28,970
media and I think that you know what

1450
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:30,980
you're addressing Ryan is when people

1451
00:56:37,570 --> 00:56:35,630
come in without any evidence or citation

1452
00:56:41,110 --> 00:56:37,580
or sort of they don't come in with a

1453
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:41,120
full picture before they they they

1454
00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:43,610
address the situation right you know

1455
00:56:48,490 --> 00:56:46,340
Jason you know you're a journalist you

1456
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:48,500
know you gotta check your sources two or

1457
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:50,540
three times right and you got to confirm

1458
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:52,460
that everything that was stated to you

1459
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:54,710
was on record or off record and you got

1460
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:56,990
to confirm what you can say publicly as

1461
00:56:59,680 --> 00:56:57,620
a journalist

1462
00:57:00,610 --> 00:56:59,690
otherwise it's libel or you can be sued

1463
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:00,620
yeah

1464
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:03,290
and ultimately you know a lot of

1465
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:04,670
individuals I don't think don't follow

1466
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:06,350
that process I think they just kind of

1467
00:57:10,780 --> 00:57:08,270
go in half-cocked they say whatever they

1468
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:10,790
want and they become insulting because

1469
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:12,530
ultimately when someone challenges them

1470
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:14,750
on their own the criticism they have

1471
00:57:17,770 --> 00:57:15,710
nothing to back it up

1472
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:17,780
therefore they just resort to sort of ad

1473
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:19,730
hominem attacks right you attack the

1474
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:21,410
person not the the argument he attack

1475
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:22,910
the person not that in evidence or the

1476
00:57:26,410 --> 00:57:24,800
data so so I have no problem with people

1477
00:57:27,850 --> 00:57:26,420
being critical of TT I say I think

1478
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:27,860
that's that's that's important I think

1479
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:29,630
we ought to be critical but we got to be

1480
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:32,030
critical when we have the evidence to be

1481
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:34,370
critical with there's nothing worse than

1482
00:57:37,810 --> 00:57:36,260
someone who's skeptical or a deep bunker

1483
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:37,820
but has nothing to back up their

1484
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:40,130
skepticism or their debunking this

1485
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:42,110
because then they're no different than

1486
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:44,390
the zealot and the believer who just

1487
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:46,850
like would light those cells on fire for

1488
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:48,860
the cause and and we need to kind of

1489
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:50,210
walk this middle ground I think a little

1490
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:51,890
bit anything else the UFO community has

1491
00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:53,830
a tough time doing that

1492
00:57:59,020 --> 00:57:57,740
always have oh I'm sort of the last

1493
00:58:02,620 --> 00:57:59,030
thing I want to cover with you guys here

1494
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:02,630
is this idea of the whole et aspect to

1495
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:05,810
TTS a now we have a lot of people on

1496
00:58:12,850 --> 00:58:09,470
both ends who who wonder why they never

1497
00:58:14,770 --> 00:58:12,860
bring up et they never bring up alien

1498
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:14,780
has never once been really said by

1499
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:15,440
anyone

1500
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:19,610
what CTSA it's always others or you know

1501
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,730
not from here so I'd love to get your

1502
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:25,040
guys thoughts on is this just a very

1503
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:27,830
careful move by them to not get lumped

1504
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:30,310
into the the whole extra-terrestrial

1505
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:32,750
hypothesis or what what do you think

1506
00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:35,150
what why have they not come out and said

1507
00:58:40,270 --> 00:58:38,420
we're looking at alien material this or

1508
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:40,280
that what your thoughts on that well I

1509
00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:42,830
think most of well everything we've

1510
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:46,040
heard related to that camp associated

1511
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:48,440
with with extraterrestrials has been

1512
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:50,570
Tom's personal opinion you know it has

1513
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,850
nothing to do with with TCF TTS a or the

1514
00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:55,040
mission of TTS a people seeing the atom

1515
00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:57,800
project now you know the the people who

1516
00:59:02,289 --> 00:59:00,680
were super excited and thought that what

1517
00:59:03,789 --> 00:59:02,299
the company was alluding to is that the

1518
00:59:06,849 --> 00:59:03,799
they were in possession of an alien

1519
00:59:08,289 --> 00:59:06,859
spacecraft now certainly understand that

1520
00:59:10,089 --> 00:59:08,299
that's not the case because why would

1521
00:59:11,739 --> 00:59:10,099
they waste their time testing pieces of

1522
00:59:13,299 --> 00:59:11,749
metal if they had an alien spacecraft

1523
00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:13,309
right and they've been clear with that

1524
00:59:17,709 --> 00:59:15,380
from the beginning saying that you know

1525
00:59:19,329 --> 00:59:17,719
the work they're doing on whatever you

1526
00:59:22,329 --> 00:59:19,339
know spaceship they want to build is

1527
00:59:25,089 --> 00:59:22,339
based on observations of UFOs right

1528
00:59:27,370 --> 00:59:25,099
seeing the things that that things in

1529
00:59:29,859 --> 00:59:27,380
the sky have done the performance other

1530
00:59:32,529 --> 00:59:29,869
things that we've seen demonstrated by

1531
00:59:34,449 --> 00:59:32,539
objects in the sky and trying to

1532
00:59:37,419 --> 00:59:34,459
replicate that right we've all seen UFOs

1533
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:37,429
but it doesn't mean that we have some

1534
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:39,529
superior knowledge to be able to create

1535
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:41,209
a spaceship that's what they're working

1536
00:59:46,809 --> 00:59:43,689
with they're working on observation

1537
00:59:49,029 --> 00:59:46,819
observable behavior demonstrated by

1538
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:49,039
mysterious craft in the sky so the

1539
00:59:55,169 --> 00:59:52,089
companies never been really about

1540
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:55,179
extraterrestrials when it comes to the

1541
01:00:02,499 --> 00:59:59,359
mysterious craft in the sky it's unknown

1542
01:00:05,049 --> 01:00:02,509
craft diamond that seemingly aren't ours

1543
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:05,059
right so they're displaying some sort of

1544
01:00:09,929 --> 01:00:07,130
fantastic technology that we don't have

1545
01:00:13,179 --> 01:00:09,939
so potentially extraterrestrial but

1546
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:13,189
that's really where they leave it I mean

1547
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,890
you need to think who's really served

1548
01:00:18,449 --> 01:00:17,119
these cause I guess they call them

1549
01:00:21,339 --> 01:00:18,459
contractors or I can teach it

1550
01:00:24,130 --> 01:00:21,349
individuals who sort of for him really

1551
01:00:25,749 --> 01:00:24,140
sort of the spine of what Tom DeLonge is

1552
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:25,759
trying to achieve here right I think

1553
01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:28,160
he's sort of the head and then sort of

1554
01:00:32,289 --> 01:00:29,719
the spinal column is all of these

1555
01:00:35,739 --> 01:00:32,299
individuals right how put off Gary Nolan

1556
01:00:37,809 --> 01:00:35,749
Chris Malin some event whatever you have

1557
01:00:40,029 --> 01:00:37,819
all these individuals these guys have

1558
01:00:41,859 --> 01:00:40,039
been and there's a few girls have been

1559
01:00:43,779 --> 01:00:41,869
in this game a long time like they have

1560
01:00:44,859 --> 01:00:43,789
been in the you fall the UFO game quite

1561
01:00:47,229 --> 01:00:44,869
a while

1562
01:00:49,419 --> 01:00:47,239
and it sort of reminds me of like valets

1563
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:49,429
invisible College right when he first

1564
01:00:53,919 --> 01:00:51,529
sort of stipulated you know in ufology

1565
01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:53,929
there is this sort of in all fields of

1566
01:00:56,890 --> 01:00:55,400
study there's invisible colleges but

1567
01:00:58,179 --> 01:00:56,900
within euphology there's sort of this

1568
01:01:00,089 --> 01:00:58,189
invisible college and he was obviously

1569
01:01:03,189 --> 01:01:00,099
worked with Hynek and all these other

1570
01:01:04,779 --> 01:01:03,199
men back then this is really the

1571
01:01:07,209 --> 01:01:04,789
invisible college that we're dealing

1572
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:07,219
with here these guys and gals have been

1573
01:01:12,489 --> 01:01:09,410
doing it for a long time and and when it

1574
01:01:14,439 --> 01:01:12,499
comes to their personal beliefs right

1575
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:14,449
their personal philosophies as to what

1576
01:01:19,089 --> 01:01:15,950
the source of the Phenom

1577
01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:19,099
is it's gonna be so varied and it's

1578
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:21,260
gonna be so dynamic because again

1579
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,089
they've been working at this some of

1580
01:01:27,819 --> 01:01:25,280
them for 30 or 40 years and know that

1581
01:01:29,050 --> 01:01:27,829
they've been relatively big players like

1582
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:29,060
I mean right

1583
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:31,670
you know how put off has has really done

1584
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:34,730
a lot of stuff in the UFO community like

1585
01:01:38,859 --> 01:01:36,790
sort of discursive ly and and and

1586
01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:38,869
they've done a lot of research and work

1587
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:41,780
how put off I'm a physicist I'm also

1588
01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:43,400
director of the Institute for Advanced

1589
01:01:48,609 --> 01:01:46,060
Studies at Austin and basically we do

1590
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:48,619
forefront research on energy and

1591
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,730
propulsion for Space Flight

1592
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:51,920
well there's a physicist I've always in

1593
01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:53,630
fact starting as a kid I've always been

1594
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:56,180
interested in the actual forefront of

1595
01:02:02,650 --> 01:01:59,450
physics and so I've been always involved

1596
01:02:05,530 --> 01:02:02,660
in looking at ideas that were you know

1597
01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:05,540
right at the edge and along the way I

1598
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:09,320
ended up getting interested in space

1599
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:13,070
flight followed the space program in

1600
01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:17,089
great detail my ex CIA contract monitor

1601
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:19,460
kit green told me about Tom and what he

1602
01:02:23,980 --> 01:02:22,010
was doing and said he thought I should

1603
01:02:26,859 --> 01:02:23,990
meet him because Tom was really

1604
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:26,869
exploring new areas right at the edge of

1605
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:30,170
research and that since that was my

1606
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:33,680
interest level it would make a good

1607
01:02:39,849 --> 01:02:36,410
combination and you know I'm not I think

1608
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,859
I think the the the sign that to me sort

1609
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,079
of when I first I guess began talking to

1610
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:45,200
put off was that he sort of came on said

1611
01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:46,730
listen I have no idea what's going on in

1612
01:02:49,660 --> 01:02:48,740
regards to the phenomena but that's the

1613
01:02:52,839 --> 01:02:49,670
point right

1614
01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:52,849
is to to try and figure it out and I

1615
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,300
don't think you know he has any any

1616
01:03:00,010 --> 01:02:57,200
notion that he's gonna figure it out

1617
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:00,020
anytime soon you know I think he is and

1618
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:01,910
and and he's convinced and he's already

1619
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:03,470
convinced you know I'm gonna go to my

1620
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:05,089
grave not knowing and we're all gonna go

1621
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:06,380
to our graves not linking our children

1622
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:07,369
and their children the children after

1623
01:03:10,210 --> 01:03:08,810
that right I think at the end of the day

1624
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:10,220
we're never gonna sort of piece this

1625
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:12,530
puzzle together but sort of with every

1626
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:14,930
piece we do find interesting interesting

1627
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:19,010
things tend to happen so you know in

1628
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:20,170
regards to the extra-terrestrial

1629
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:22,430
hypothesis and the nuts and bolts UFO

1630
01:03:26,770 --> 01:03:23,569
and all that stuff I think that's

1631
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:26,780
starting to slowly sort of go the way of

1632
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:28,910
the dinosaur within sort of the UFO

1633
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:30,470
community

1634
01:03:35,529 --> 01:03:34,190
think I think what's starting to occur

1635
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:35,539
is we're starting to realize that it's

1636
01:03:39,130 --> 01:03:36,970
not necessarily aliens from outer space

1637
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:39,140
but again I think it's cultural as well

1638
01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:40,730
I think you know we're starting to

1639
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:41,900
realize that maybe some of the stuff we

1640
01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:44,930
believed in the 90s and in the 80s we

1641
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:46,430
now sort of technologic we have

1642
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:47,510
developed we've developed more

1643
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:49,130
scientifically we know a lot more about

1644
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:51,010
the universe than we did 30 years ago

1645
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:53,990
you know maybe it's not aliens from

1646
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,369
other planet even though they could

1647
01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:57,200
exist it could be something much more

1648
01:04:02,950 --> 01:03:59,450
complicated and much more interesting

1649
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:02,960
and as valet has stated as well so I

1650
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:04,609
think the UFO community is becoming much

1651
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:07,010
more velay and in its interpretation of

1652
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:09,049
the phenomena maybe I'm wrong but that's

1653
01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:11,150
my interpretation anyway well you did

1654
01:04:15,730 --> 01:04:13,369
mention the word or the name I should

1655
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:15,740
say I'm Jaya valet I do have to ask you

1656
01:04:20,349 --> 01:04:18,140
guys we've recently heard news that he

1657
01:04:22,779 --> 01:04:20,359
might be sort of stepping down in his

1658
01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:22,789
endeavors of continuing to study the UFO

1659
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:25,190
field in that whatever he had in his

1660
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:25,760
possession

1661
01:04:31,569 --> 01:04:28,609
may it be materials or whatnot are being

1662
01:04:33,819 --> 01:04:31,579
given to institutions do we think

1663
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:33,829
perhaps maybe this is one of those

1664
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,529
institutions you know maybe I mean III

1665
01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:38,240
know he's friends with a lot of the

1666
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:41,390
people in t TSA so a lot of these

1667
01:04:45,309 --> 01:04:43,640
contractors rather not in like again T

1668
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:45,319
TSA is really like Tom DeLonge and his

1669
01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:50,510
sister yeah really look at like a

1670
01:04:53,799 --> 01:04:51,980
company structure there's like three

1671
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:53,809
people who work at t TSA and are paid

1672
01:04:57,789 --> 01:04:56,329
maybe more but really it's very few the

1673
01:05:01,240 --> 01:04:57,799
rest of them are sort of just this

1674
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:01,250
invisible college that sort of hovers

1675
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:03,170
around it right and I will say I mean

1676
01:05:09,339 --> 01:05:05,690
the entire to the stars operation is

1677
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:09,349
incredibly small so me it makes the fact

1678
01:05:13,690 --> 01:05:10,910
that they're doing all of these things

1679
01:05:16,450 --> 01:05:13,700
all the more incredible so I give them

1680
01:05:18,220 --> 01:05:16,460
mad props well they're all doing it pro

1681
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,230
bono right like that's the the the big

1682
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:20,559
thing here right like no one is paid

1683
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:22,910
except for the secretary at the office I

1684
01:05:26,829 --> 01:05:25,190
think and and which is and like the

1685
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,839
media person who I think is Tom DeLonge

1686
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:28,400
sister so again at the end of the day

1687
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,420
you know you have very few people

1688
01:05:32,349 --> 01:05:31,039
collecting a salary so I think it's

1689
01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:32,359
interesting I think it's a it's a very

1690
01:05:36,099 --> 01:05:34,190
you know it's funny we we don't

1691
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:36,109
naturally culturally view tea tsa is a

1692
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:38,450
grassroots operation but it really kind

1693
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:40,910
of is in a way right like it is sort of

1694
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:43,250
grassroots it's tiny sure it's

1695
01:05:49,030 --> 01:05:45,650
funded by Tom DeLonge which is not time

1696
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:49,040
right and it you see the the incredible

1697
01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:51,410
you know names associated with it the

1698
01:05:55,630 --> 01:05:53,990
high-caliber people and that's why we're

1699
01:05:59,170 --> 01:05:55,640
quick to to put them up on this pedestal

1700
01:06:02,520 --> 01:05:59,180
as this giant monster corporation but

1701
01:06:04,570 --> 01:06:02,530
it's just a very small outfit yeah

1702
01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:04,580
everyone runs it has her own life I mean

1703
01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:06,800
like you know they help put off runs a

1704
01:06:12,190 --> 01:06:10,100
company he has grandkids and he has a

1705
01:06:13,930 --> 01:06:12,200
family and you know like it's not like

1706
01:06:17,170 --> 01:06:13,940
he dedicates his entire life to UFOs you

1707
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:17,180
know Gary Nolan is a Stanford University

1708
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:19,370
professor and researcher I mean UFOs are

1709
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:21,350
just something he's interested in and I

1710
01:06:24,190 --> 01:06:22,430
think that that's one thing we need to

1711
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,200
sort of appreciate here is this TTS a

1712
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,000
has really made up of individuals who

1713
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:28,160
are saluted in the phenomenon just like

1714
01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:29,600
you and I are interested but we still

1715
01:06:32,170 --> 01:06:30,680
got to go to work every day like we

1716
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,180
still got our empty check and we still

1717
01:06:36,850 --> 01:06:33,920
got to pay the mortgage and and you know

1718
01:06:39,730 --> 01:06:36,860
pay for kids dance class lessons because

1719
01:06:42,970 --> 01:06:39,740
you know the UFOs you know don't pay fo

1720
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:42,980
and and that's kind of the reality

1721
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,900
of the situation yeah grass you question

1722
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:46,640
do you question about ballet you know

1723
01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:49,330
it's sort of like Stan Friedman retiring

1724
01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:54,230
except la vallee exactly and I mean well

1725
01:06:58,750 --> 01:06:56,150
it wasn't just a UFO guy you know that

1726
01:07:01,060 --> 01:06:58,760
wasn't his full-time job so him stepping

1727
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:01,070
away does that really mean anything no

1728
01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:03,230
not really I think you sort of I think

1729
01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:04,280
there's there's been rumors I don't know

1730
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,750
if this is sure not I've heard rumors

1731
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:07,280
that he sort of come out and said listen

1732
01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:09,110
no no no I'm not sort of leaving UFOs

1733
01:07:13,780 --> 01:07:11,270
behind totally I'm just stepping away

1734
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:13,790
from the sort of broader UFO community

1735
01:07:18,070 --> 01:07:15,290
like I think he's no longer gonna do

1736
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:18,080
lectures right haven't we all said that

1737
01:07:22,690 --> 01:07:20,930
at one point or another I mean George

1738
01:07:24,790 --> 01:07:22,700
Knapp said that many times you know he

1739
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,800
doesn't do UFO conferences he makes fun

1740
01:07:28,060 --> 01:07:26,480
of the UFO crowd all the time because he

1741
01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:28,070
he decided he couldn't stand him a long

1742
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:30,980
time ago I mean I can't imagine I think

1743
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:33,830
was last year Valley spoke at contact in

1744
01:07:40,030 --> 01:07:38,000
the desert right yeah yes yeah I can't

1745
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:40,040
imagine the people who just sort of like

1746
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,920
who walked up to him and said hey I have

1747
01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:44,240
a story like you know I mean you can

1748
01:07:48,490 --> 01:07:46,460
imagine like your jock ballet and these

1749
01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:48,500
people approached you and like man do I

1750
01:07:50,830 --> 01:07:50,420
have a story that's gonna change your

1751
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:50,840
life

1752
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,480
I can I can visualize I

1753
01:07:58,460 --> 01:07:56,880
roll sure there were so many eye rolls

1754
01:08:00,920 --> 01:07:58,470
that happened there and I'm sure it was

1755
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:00,930
very polite right you know I know of

1756
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,090
course but he's also French right so

1757
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:06,000
right I'm very very smoking a cigarette

1758
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:08,580
you know yes you're like okay off

1759
01:08:12,830 --> 01:08:09,870
you know like I've heard this before

1760
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:12,840
like I can picture that as well so yeah

1761
01:08:16,310 --> 01:08:14,460
I mean I can imagine going to contact in

1762
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:16,320
the desert and and all of these people

1763
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:19,260
were barding you with the same stuff

1764
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:21,810
you've been listening to for 30 years

1765
01:08:27,170 --> 01:08:23,970
and some of it is redundant or

1766
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:27,180
ridiculous and it becomes not annoying

1767
01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:29,130
but it just you're just kind of like

1768
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,470
okay I clearly need to move on and I

1769
01:08:36,170 --> 01:08:33,600
want to pursue this but you know

1770
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:36,180
privately or quietly in my own way it's

1771
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,980
exhausting yeah and I mean we haven't

1772
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:39,480
been in the field as long as valet but

1773
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:42,210
you know even at these conferences or

1774
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:44,130
you know you're come into contact with

1775
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:45,810
people who want to share their stories

1776
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:48,150
like it's emotionally and mentally and

1777
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:51,750
sometimes oh my god taxing to here the

1778
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:53,790
redundancy first of all which is

1779
01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:56,160
invigorating in some ways the patterns

1780
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,980
but also just you know what do you do

1781
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:00,960
with it you have the story like oh yeah

1782
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:03,600
I can't help you I can't drop an

1783
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:05,370
alien gray from coming in your bedroom

1784
01:09:10,250 --> 01:09:08,460
or for this light to stop showing up

1785
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:10,260
over your house every night like I can't

1786
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,470
stop that but I can tell your story but

1787
01:09:17,870 --> 01:09:15,540
yeah I can imagine at this point he's

1788
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:17,880
just like look I can hear a million

1789
01:09:21,380 --> 01:09:19,770
stories it's still not gonna solve this

1790
01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:21,390
problem for me yeah I think I think

1791
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:23,880
privacy lasted as long as he did yeah I

1792
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:25,980
think he's got bigger fish to fry you I

1793
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:27,810
mean like I think he's going to look at

1794
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:29,460
the phenomena I'm sure he's still

1795
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:31,410
interested I mean he's dedicated his

1796
01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:32,970
life to it I'm sure he's gonna continue

1797
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:34,680
look at the phenomena but probably in a

1798
01:09:38,210 --> 01:09:37,110
more you know in a fields more related

1799
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:38,220
to his interest right which is like

1800
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,140
computer science and and and he's really

1801
01:09:43,250 --> 01:09:42,000
into I think like sort of psy phenomena

1802
01:09:44,540 --> 01:09:43,260
in parapsychology and that kind of thing

1803
01:09:46,670 --> 01:09:44,550
so I'm sure he's gonna sort of pursue it

1804
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,680
along those lines dealing with

1805
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:49,380
individuals who sort of share a similar

1806
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:52,500
level of you know academic prowess maybe

1807
01:09:59,660 --> 01:09:55,920
or knowledge or whatever that that he

1808
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:59,670
he's at right um you know you're when

1809
01:10:01,790 --> 01:10:00,660
somebody comes up and says you know I

1810
01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:01,800
saw this in ancient aliens what do you

1811
01:10:05,420 --> 01:10:04,020
think yeah I want to punch my eye like I

1812
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,430
want to punch myself in the face you

1813
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:07,440
know never mind someone who's been

1814
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:07,860
dealing with

1815
01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:10,170
for 30 years or 40 years now I think we

1816
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:11,670
should all take a cue from him you know

1817
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:13,380
I encourage people in the UFO community

1818
01:10:19,939 --> 01:10:16,440
to do that because again we don't all

1819
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:19,949
need to be part of this one singularly

1820
01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:23,070
minded singularly focused community all

1821
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:25,800
thinking the same thing and believing

1822
01:10:31,879 --> 01:10:29,130
the same ideas that's not how it works I

1823
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:31,889
mean just look at the the discussions

1824
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:34,409
the disagreements all the various

1825
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:37,350
explanations or beliefs for what UFOs

1826
01:10:42,919 --> 01:10:40,590
are or what extraterrestrials are doing

1827
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:42,929
or what they look like well you know

1828
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,630
abductions versus contact all of these

1829
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:46,800
different things we all have our

1830
01:10:51,620 --> 01:10:48,650
different ideals and our different

1831
01:10:54,379 --> 01:10:51,630
different ways of putting the pieces of

1832
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:54,389
the puzzle in into place that you know

1833
01:10:58,609 --> 01:10:56,489
work for us so we don't need the

1834
01:11:00,140 --> 01:10:58,619
community to steer that for us steer it

1835
01:11:01,970 --> 01:11:00,150
yourself and I think the people who make

1836
01:11:03,620 --> 01:11:01,980
sort of maybe the most progress and they

1837
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:03,630
put the term like I'm doing air quotes

1838
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:05,130
all around the word progress right

1839
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,409
because progress in UFOs is you know

1840
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:09,600
weird but I think the people that sort

1841
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:11,250
of make the most progress really

1842
01:11:14,629 --> 01:11:12,780
function like that and I think that's

1843
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:14,639
predominantly because whatever the

1844
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:16,530
phenomena is is it is it doesn't

1845
01:11:20,899 --> 01:11:18,750
necessarily tie itself down to anything

1846
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:20,909
right everyone I'm sure thought MUFON

1847
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:22,380
would be a big smash success when it

1848
01:11:27,919 --> 01:11:25,650
first started and it wasn't and and and

1849
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:27,929
it hasn't really solved anything and and

1850
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:29,550
no one really has right and I think

1851
01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:30,900
that's kind of fundamentally the point

1852
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:33,030
and and I think that if if anyone

1853
01:11:37,879 --> 01:11:36,090
expects T TSA to provide the answer to

1854
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:37,889
the phenomena I think they're deluded I

1855
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:40,290
think maybe TSA will people to provide

1856
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,850
some interesting information that is

1857
01:11:45,979 --> 01:11:43,920
perhaps novel and unique or or or

1858
01:11:47,959 --> 01:11:45,989
original but the phenomena isn't going

1859
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,969
to present itself to T TSA and say hey

1860
01:11:52,459 --> 01:11:50,400
I'm here you know you can you know

1861
01:11:55,580 --> 01:11:52,469
explore me all you want you know this

1862
01:11:56,780 --> 01:11:55,590
this is shades of calm Kelleher's and

1863
01:11:58,820 --> 01:11:56,790
George naps hunt for the skinwalker

1864
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,830
right the second knids showed up and

1865
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:00,480
everything just went to ground right

1866
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:03,570
yeah because you know the second you

1867
01:12:07,370 --> 01:12:05,489
start looking at me too closely I'm just

1868
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:07,380
gonna change gears I'm gonna be an

1869
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:09,659
airship in the 1890s and I'm gonna be a

1870
01:12:13,129 --> 01:12:11,730
flying saucer in the 1950s and you know

1871
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:13,139
if you want to try and make sense of

1872
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,290
that screw you and I think ultimately

1873
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:17,760
whatever the phenomena is if there's a

1874
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:19,770
phenomena that's sort of what we're

1875
01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:20,520
dealing with here

1876
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:21,870
it's just going to change

1877
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:24,060
again I don't think anyone involved with

1878
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:27,690
T TSA expects to find the disclosure or

1879
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:30,570
that one answer but like you said put

1880
01:12:34,340 --> 01:12:32,340
offs looking at zero-point energy

1881
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:34,350
Tom's looking for his own things within

1882
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:37,860
this pursuit I'm sure melon is they all

1883
01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:40,800
are as we all are and I'm gonna keep

1884
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:43,980
rooting them on and hey if we can find

1885
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:46,950
one thing that can help Humanity in some

1886
01:12:51,650 --> 01:12:49,170
way through all of this it's in my

1887
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:51,660
opinion it's all been worth it if we can

1888
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:53,790
get one more person interested in UFOs

1889
01:12:59,480 --> 01:12:56,550
just by hearing about this like it's all

1890
01:13:01,610 --> 01:12:59,490
been worth it in my opinion so or or if

1891
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:01,620
we don't right if they don't find if we

1892
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:04,140
don't find anything like it's it's

1893
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:07,260
better and more to our advantage to at

1894
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:10,020
least try something right just like I

1895
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,820
know people hate me for saying this and

1896
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:13,500
they disagree with me but it's the same

1897
01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:16,260
thing with SETI right people hate hate

1898
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:19,080
on Ceti for using radio telescopes to

1899
01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:20,850
listen for possible signals from

1900
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:22,830
extraterrestrials they say waste of

1901
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:24,570
money shut it down why are you wasting

1902
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:27,480
your time but hey if somebody wants to

1903
01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:29,250
do it I'm glad somebody's doing it cuz

1904
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:30,540
really you think that's something that

1905
01:13:34,580 --> 01:13:33,090
you know isn't worthwhile let somebody

1906
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:34,590
do it you don't have to do it but if

1907
01:13:37,610 --> 01:13:35,910
somebody else is gonna do it great

1908
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:37,620
that's one thing that that somebody is

1909
01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:39,900
out there doing let's do all the things

1910
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:43,350
all the time all the things that is the

1911
01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:45,540
slogan of the century let's do all of

1912
01:13:55,730 --> 01:13:51,990
the things guys I think we're gonna wrap

1913
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:55,740
it up here I'm drunk and we could go on

1914
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:58,050
forever but this has been awesome I

1915
01:14:02,600 --> 01:13:59,340
think we really only scratched the

1916
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:02,610
surface but we are promised by mr. Luis

1917
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:04,920
Salazar is you know the second you start

1918
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:06,600
looking at me too closely I'm just gonna

1919
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:08,970
change gears I'm gonna be an airship in

1920
01:14:13,190 --> 01:14:10,890
the 1890s and I'm gonna be a flying

1921
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:13,200
saucer in the 1950s and you know if you

1922
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,580
want to try and make sense of that screw

1923
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:17,280
you and I think that ultimately whatever

1924
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,290
the phenomena is if there's a phenomena

1925
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:21,120
that's sort of what we're dealing with

1926
01:14:25,660 --> 01:14:23,550
here it's just gonna change gears again

1927
01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:25,670
I don't think anyone involved with TTS a

1928
01:14:31,790 --> 01:14:29,220
expects to find the disclosure or that

1929
01:14:33,170 --> 01:14:31,800
one answer but like you said put offs

1930
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:33,180
looking at zero-point energy

1931
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:35,460
Tom's looking for his own things with

1932
01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:38,730
in this pursuit I'm sure melon is they

1933
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:41,820
all are as we all are and I'm gonna keep

1934
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:44,940
rooting them on and hey if we can find

1935
01:14:50,150 --> 01:14:47,940
one thing that can help Humanity in some

1936
01:14:52,820 --> 01:14:50,160
way through all of this it's in my

1937
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:52,830
opinion it's all been worth it if we can

1938
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:54,810
get one more person interested in UFOs

1939
01:15:00,500 --> 01:14:57,570
just by hearing about this like it's all

1940
01:15:02,510 --> 01:15:00,510
been worth it in my opinion so or or if

1941
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:02,520
we don't right if we don't find if we

1942
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:05,130
don't find anything like it's it's

1943
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:08,250
better and more to our advantage to at

1944
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:11,010
least try something right just like I

1945
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:12,810
know people hate me for saying this and

1946
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:14,520
they disagree with me but it's the same

1947
01:15:20,060 --> 01:15:17,250
thing with SETI right people hate hate

1948
01:15:21,860 --> 01:15:20,070
on Ceti for using radio telescopes to

1949
01:15:22,820 --> 01:15:21,870
listen for possible signals from

1950
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:22,830
extraterrestrials

1951
01:15:27,770 --> 01:15:25,230
you say waste of money shut it down why

1952
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,780
are you wasting your time but hey if

1953
01:15:30,740 --> 01:15:29,280
somebody wants to do it I'm glad

1954
01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:30,750
somebody's doing it because really you

1955
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:32,310
think that's something that that you

1956
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:34,410
know isn't worthwhile let somebody do it

1957
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,880
you don't have to do it but if somebody

1958
01:15:38,990 --> 01:15:37,440
else is gonna do it great that's one

1959
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:39,000
thing that that somebody is out there

1960
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:41,310
doing let's do all the things all the

1961
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:42,290
time

1962
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:45,210
all of the things that is the slogan of

1963
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:53,780
guys I think we're gonna wrap it up here

1964
01:15:59,570 --> 01:15:57,600
I'm drunk and we could go on forever but

1965
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:59,580
this has been awesome I think we really

1966
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:01,560
only scratched the surface but we are

1967
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,410
promised by mr. Lewis Elizondo

1968
01:16:10,130 --> 01:16:06,480
some really stunning things coming in

1969
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:10,140
the future from TTS a and I'm there I'm

1970
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:10,650
ready

1971
01:16:16,340 --> 01:16:13,770
you'll stew it so you know at the end of

1972
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,350
the day the future looks bright for UFO

1973
01:16:20,270 --> 01:16:18,300
studies it's a really exciting time to

1974
01:16:23,690 --> 01:16:20,280
live in I think with all this going on

1975
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:23,700
but before we go I do have to ask you

1976
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:26,280
guys where can we find what you're doing

1977
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:28,650
Jason let's start with you my man all

1978
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:31,290
right jump on over to rogue planet TV

1979
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:34,290
that's my weird website where post

1980
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:35,820
everything that I do a lot of podcasts

1981
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:37,770
over there do a UFO podcast called

1982
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:40,590
unknown check that out follow me on

1983
01:16:47,169 --> 01:16:43,950
twitter at ace centric that's a CEC entr

1984
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:47,179
i see that's the same on instagram

1985
01:16:53,589 --> 01:16:51,289
and on Facebook I'm the UFO geek perfect

1986
01:16:55,660 --> 01:16:53,599
MJ woody I got for us I want to jump in

1987
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:55,670
briefly just I'm gonna pitch Jason a

1988
01:16:59,859 --> 01:16:57,530
little more I'd be nice yeah it takes me

1989
01:17:01,449 --> 01:16:59,869
20 minutes to cut my lawn in my backyard

1990
01:17:03,609 --> 01:17:01,459
and that's when I listen to unknown

1991
01:17:06,129 --> 01:17:03,619
literally I plug myself in yeah and I

1992
01:17:08,259 --> 01:17:06,139
and I listened to unknown because it's

1993
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:08,269
20 minutes roughly yeah it's the same to

1994
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:11,689
cut my grass it's and yes it's wrong and

1995
01:17:14,620 --> 01:17:13,130
you sort of keep me actually on page

1996
01:17:16,569 --> 01:17:14,630
because sometimes like oh crap I got

1997
01:17:17,589 --> 01:17:16,579
five minutes and it's like hi everybody

1998
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:17,599
I'm Chris I'm Nick

1999
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:19,249
and we're the hosts of the two dumb dads

2000
01:17:23,049 --> 01:17:22,070
podcasts a show about two dads trying to

2001
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:23,059
work our way through parents are we

2002
01:17:27,009 --> 01:17:24,800
doing a show or a podcast it's a podcast

2003
01:17:29,379 --> 01:17:27,019
show about parenting yeah it's the same

2004
01:17:30,879 --> 01:17:29,389
thing he has my wife's mouth she's my

2005
01:17:32,890 --> 01:17:30,889
wife the big mouth we talk about

2006
01:17:35,649 --> 01:17:32,900
everything from how do you find a

2007
01:17:37,779 --> 01:17:35,659
babysitter I'm going to I don't know

2008
01:17:39,339 --> 01:17:37,789
like I'm gonna stalk you for a week

2009
01:17:40,810 --> 01:17:39,349
before I let you babysit my kids who

2010
01:17:41,589 --> 01:17:40,820
will mac-and-cheese kill your kid I've

2011
01:17:42,819 --> 01:17:41,599
gotten to the point now where just

2012
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:42,829
spring a little bit of mac and

2013
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:44,449
cheese on the hotdog like I'm sold

2014
01:17:47,770 --> 01:17:46,070
you can find us at our website dude I'm

2015
01:17:50,259 --> 01:17:47,780
Dez calm you can find us at our Facebook

2016
01:17:51,850 --> 01:17:50,269
group the number two dumb dad's and of

2017
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course anywhere that podcast can be